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Online petition slams plan to charge for use of Wrexham Racecourse

Published date: 06 January 2011 |
Published by: Phil Robinson


 

MORE than 1,500 people have signed an online petition blasting plans to change the way Wrexham’s Racecourse ground is run.

And the scheme to form a separate company charging both Wrexham FC and Crusaders rugby league club £3,000 a game to lease the ground has been branded as “outrageous” by a Welsh Assembly candidate for the town.

But Ian Roberts, chairman of both clubs, remained unrepentant and said if he received the petition he would “stick it in the drawer”.

Mr Roberts revealed his intention of forming a new company, separate from Wrexham Village, to lease out the ground in an interview with the Leader on Monday, admitting it was likely to lead to complaints.

The backlash began when a petition was posted on petitiononline.com, which by yesterday had attracted about 1,500 signatures.

Addressed to “all national/local government agencies and representatives, all Wrexham FC and sports fans”, it questions the right of Mr Roberts and co-owner Geoff Moss to transfer ownership of the ground.

It also predicts the move would put Wrexham FC into further debt, into administration and being thrown out of the Conference Premier.

The petition also warns of a scenario where the football club is evicted from the ground because it cannot afford the terms of a lease.

It says: “We have fought to stop this happening in the past and we will fight to stop it happening again if needs be.”

The town’s Plaid Cymru’s Assembly candidate Marc Jones said the move was “outrageous”.

But Mr Roberts said: “It costs £300,000 a year to run the Racecourse ground and where does that money come from?

“We are not planning to move the ground out of the group but sideways within it.

“That way we can lease the ground to the two clubs, like hundreds of other grounds in the country. I see this as a protection of the ground and not a detriment.

“There is nothing underhand and there is no ulterior motive. Who are they going to send this petition to anyway? If they send it to me I’ll stick it in the drawer.”

He added: “They are fighting the wrong people here and all this negativity harms the club. What potential owner would commit to buying the business when all this stuff is online.”

Mr Roberts also hit out at people for posting abusive messages about Geoff Moss’s running of the club via his partner’s business Facebook profile.

He said: “If this continues we will report it to the police.”

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  1. Posted by: AppyArry at 08:16 on 06 January 2011 Report

    Wxm fc was making a profit when the current owners took over, it is now losing £30k a week. They want to take the ground away from Wxm fc and then charge them £3k a week to use their own ground, Mr Roberts is fully aware once the assets have been taken away, the club will be running insolvent and sooner or later be evicted from its own ground for non payment of rent. Roberts and Moss must think we are fools.

  2. Posted by: WREXHAMFAN at 08:20 on 06 January 2011 Report

    Roberts you are going to be run out of town along with your partner in crime Moss the liar. If you think this is bad wait until we crank the pressure up, you won't get any sleep you fat slug we will hound you and your businesses. Ask Hamilton and Gutterman if you don't believe me.

  3. Posted by: a cahill at 08:31 on 06 January 2011 Report

    It costs £300,000 per year to run the ground... where does the money come from ?....I take it the fans pay all of it...as for negativity...dismissing the very people who are the life blood of the club is the most negative approach to take and the comment clearly indicates that the sale of the club is high on the agenda with the land being the only reason for buying it in the first place

  4. Posted by: welshwayne at 08:42 on 06 January 2011 Report

    This article is not balanced and only interviews one side of the argument. This article does not provide any proof of abusive messages. Yes in previous newspaper articles concerning 'the facebook flash mob party", the paper printed messages from facebook. I will reading the PCC guidelines very closely.

  5. Posted by: Rosa Luxemburg at 09:03 on 06 January 2011 Report

    If people have left abusive messages, that's not helping anyone, but Ian Roberts' interpretation of 'abusive' seems often to be 'disagreeing with Ian Roberts and friends'. The owners need to learn to accept criticism, and should not be surprised when fans are suspicious of moves like this bearing in mind the recent histories of both clubs.

  6. Posted by: wrexhamafc at 09:07 on 06 January 2011 Report

    The arrogance of this man is astonishing. Its been obvious that from the very start he,and Moss,have intended to continue where Hamilton left off. If he thinks this is going to be easy,he obviously is thicker than most.Sow the seeds and reap the whirlwind...Wrexham AFC forever!

  7. Posted by: eveningreader at 09:16 on 06 January 2011 Report

    If Mr Roberts receives the petition he will ‘stick it in the drawer’? This is a clear indication of the contempt the regime at WFC have towards the fans. It is also another indication that nothing will detract the regime from their eventual goal. Eviction of Wrexham FC from The Racecourse and a further jackpot from redeveloping the rest of the land!

  8. Posted by: eveningreader at 09:22 on 06 January 2011 Report

    Judge Norris gave The Racecourse back to Wrexham FC. There was no legitimate reason to transfer ownership of the ground again - other than the intention of further redevelopment. Criminal proceedings should be brought against Moss and Roberts.

  9. Posted by: watchdog at 11:14 on 06 January 2011 Report

    Socked to learn that the football club continues to lose such large sums of money. It traded under admin without loss so where has the money been going? Publish the salaries of various executives and advisers over the past few years. The losses suggest that club has been badly managed and releagtion under the current owner (Mr Moss) compounded the situation

  10. Posted by: wrexhamafc at 14:22 on 06 January 2011 Report

    The count now stands at 2927 and thats in two days! The groundswell against the asset strippers is growing VERY fast. join us now! http://www.petitiononline.com/wxm2011/petition.html

  11. Posted by: InMyOpinion at 15:56 on 06 January 2011 Report

    Mr Roberts said: “It costs £300,000 a year to run the Racecourse ground and where does that money come from? The fans mr roberts, whom without you would be nothing.

  12. Posted by: InMyOpinion at 16:05 on 06 January 2011 Report

    As some of you know, Im not a football fan, but i think that Moss and co are trying it on. the club owners could be left with nothing in this, and its down to there own underhanded management of the club as a whole. If possible the fans should club together and buy out the owners, they defeated Hamilton so Moss and co should be a pushover.

  13. Posted by: eveningreader at 17:09 on 06 January 2011 Report

    For those not familiar with the boardroom setup at WFC. Geoff Moss and Nev Dickens, dubbed our "saviours" in the Leader, were the favoured consortium which acquired the club from the administrators Begbies and Traynor. It would later transpire that neither would risk more than £50k of their own money, but instead took a loan from Redrow's Steve Morgan and £500k from John Marek.

  14. Posted by: eveningreader at 17:12 on 06 January 2011 Report

    Dickens then stood down citing he had a "conflict of interest". That being the small matter of him owning garage (club shop) site. Mr Dickens' land is the key to phases 2&3 of the Village development and he will receive a very inflated sum of money for his investment.

  15. Posted by: eveningreader at 17:15 on 06 January 2011 Report

    After fan-pressue on Moss after various promises failed to materialise (10 point plan etc), Mr Moss deceided to stand down as chairman of WFC and appointed Mr Ian Roberts. Mr Roberts has no background in football or sports management, he is a purely and simply a property developer.

  16. Posted by: eveningreader at 17:16 on 06 January 2011 Report

    Steve Morgan's £2.5m loan to Dickens and Moss. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/north_east/5241130.stm

  17. Posted by: robwxmafc at 17:24 on 06 January 2011 Report

    I have never seen two poor business men in all my life... bad move after bad move... and then they blame everyone else. I hope Ian Roberts can make all the right choises as his business receives the same legal protests by fans as Hamiltons did.

  18. Posted by: eveningreader at 17:32 on 06 January 2011 Report

    Yet 442 magazine listed Moss on Football's rich list with an estimated personal fortune approaching £60m. Moss made £12.5m when he sold Elegant Travel to Thomas Cook. http://www.chesterchronicle.co.uk/chester-news/local-chester-news/2008/04/11/founders-sell-holiday-firm-elegant-resorts-for-25m-59067-20748429/

  19. Posted by: Protest Against Wrexham Village at 17:54 on 06 January 2011 Report

    Here is the link to Moss' girlfriend's business Facebook page. Where is the abuse that you mention in the article? All I can see is links to the petition and articles on the rape of Wrexham FC by asset strippers.

  20. Posted by: Protest Against Wrexham Village at 17:56 on 06 January 2011 Report

    http://on.fb.me/fFi0ea

  21. Posted by: robwxmafc at 19:32 on 06 January 2011 Report

    Its ok being on a rich list for one business.. but he's killing another, thats either poor management or deliberate killing of a business for gain of its land.. you tell me eveningreader which one it is?

  22. Posted by: greenflyer at 20:36 on 06 January 2011 Report

    is paul retout their financial advisor or has he installed someone else in the club?

  23. Posted by: eveningreader at 14:55 on 09 January 2011 Report

    robwxmafc I think Moss got out of his depth with running a football club a long time ago. Whether he would bat an eyelid if the Reds were forced to leave their spiritual home because it became un-economical is another matter! Once businessmen make a fortune, many of them just get greedy. Moss is after all from Chester and a Liverpool fan. If WFC went under would he be that bothered?

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